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Call to order 1.1 Quorum call * We have quorum 2. Approval of Agenda * Motion to approve agenda made by Ron Waxman * Second by Yatin * Agenda approved 3. Approval of Minutes of Last Meeting * So moved by Andrew Piziali * Second by Dennis B. * Minutes approved 4. Next meeting jointly with JEITA/IEC * At Pacifico Yokohama with EDS Fair * Date & Time: o JST 8:30-10:00am on 23 Jan 2009 o Pacific 15:30pm on 22 Jan 2009 (previous day) o Atlantic 18:30pm on 22 Jan 2009 (previous day) * Dennis suggests we either make this an official meeting or schedule it for a convenient time for both N. America and Europe. * There is a question whether or not JEITA, as an entity, is a member of DASC. They are the only entity member of DASC at this time. Karen B. will confirm in January. * Victor: We also need to make entity-based membership a choice on the renewal form. * Victor: We will have the meeting in Japan, as usually scheduled, with conference dial-in available 5. Study Group Status - updates from the chairs * [none] 6. Working Group Status -- updates from the chairs * Karen Pieper (P1800): Invitation for ballot for P1800 is open and will close on January 1 * Perry Alexander (P1699): Draft documents will be ready in March or April. * Yatin (P1801): Ballot closed after the last meeting. Ballot resolution was in progress. Most items have been resolved. Recirculation is expected by Friday (12/19). 7. Report from SA Board Meeting -- Victor * Victor, Dennis and Karen attended * A lot of discussion at the board meeting regarding the approval of new PARs * The details are available online * Information was mailed out on particularly interesting topics of discussion * Copyrights was one of the discussion items o Responsibilities of original owners elaborated * Chairs of WGs need to be aware of these rules o Materials that are donated are governed by the rules o Donated material becomes owned by the IEEE o Clarifications were the primary benefit of the changes * Dennis B.: IEEE attorney and other standards groups are addressing the role of WG members as employees of their respective employers. Also, transfer procedures were clarified. * Karen B.: NesCom did not discuss these changes at the most recent meeting. * Jim Vellenga: Chuck Swartz claimed that the original copyright remains with the contributor but derivative works are owned by the IEEE. * Victor: The IEEE also gains copyright ownership, in addition to the original contributor, of the original donated documents. IEEE also gains the right to share the documents with other groups (ex. Accellera, IEC). * Section 6.1 of some IEEE document requires that WG chairs notify the members of copyright and patent issues * Ballot resolution clarification of section 5.4.3.2 of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual o Victor: The extension to the P1481 PAR was not approved by DASC. Need to review and vote on it. o Victor: The entire document is open for comment until 75% threshold is achieved o Victor: Once the threshold is achieved, subsequent comments must be restricted to parts of the specification that are still open to debate * Patent policy o Victor: People come up with questions about patents all of the time o Victor: PatCom added an item to their FAQs that addresses the "essentiality" of patents o Victor: Mentor indicated they may have a P1800 essential patent o Victor: The FAQ reiterates the procedure for resolving such an issue o Stan: Can an IEEE standard incorporate an asserted patent with no licenses granted? o Victor: An LOA (letter of assurance) does not need to be submitted or it may be with one of four choices o Victor: The WG chooses whether or not to incorporate patented IP into their standard o Mac: DASC had stated we will only approved unencumbered standards but this was rejected by the IEEE-SA o Victor: The WG chair should request an LOA to accompany donated material o Stan K.: The LOA has four check boxes for the patent situation of donated material o Dennis: Victor, you said the WG must discuss patent issues but what are the WG options? o Mac hypothesized a situation wherein a WG could reject a donation because it is patent encumbered o Victor read a PatCom FAQ that addresses this situation o Victor's advice is that you follow your employer's legal council o Mac is concerned this process is a deterrent to standards development participation by engineers o Victor: This does not materially change anything since I have been participating in the standards work. This is a only a clarification. o Stan: Now we are talking about essential patent claims that say they will not only charge a fee they will not even issue a license for an essential patent. o Mac said that Verisity donated patented material for P1647-2006 o Victor: No LOA has been provided with "box (4)" checked (will not license the patent) o Stan: If a standard goes through and a LOA was provided with no plans to license the patent and the standard is submitted for balloting, it is recirculated. Can PatCom or any other committee reject the standard? o Victor: Yes, they may reject the standard but I am not aware for what reason they may do so. o Karen P.: David Ringle called me to say that PatCom or the board could reject the standard (P1800). He did not state on what basis. o Stan K.: Does PatCom have substantial leeway in making their decisions? o Victor: Yes, but they cannot do this arbitrarily because they would open themselves to liabilities. o Karen P.: I echo Karen B.'s point that a veto possibility is held by a WG member by asserting an essential patent claim o Victor: LOA information is posted on the IEEE web site o Victor: I had an informal discussion with Dave Ringle last week regarding P1800 and this patent issue o Andy: Is there a patent issue with P1800? o Victor: Dennis sent a letter said that Mentor Graphics may own an essential patent infringed by P1800 o Dennis: The letter is available for public consumption and some of the information is recorded in the recent meeting minutes 8. P1481 PAR revision -- Victor * An active PAR had been approved but was going to expire at the end of this month (December 2008) * The standard went into ballot while the PAR was pending expiration * Victor was notified that a PAR revision was not supposed to be administratively approved * Should the chair be allowed to extend a PAR in this situation? * When a standard takes as long as P1481 has taken, should we encourage its development? * Mac: If the process cannot be completed during the four or five years allowed (this has taken seven years), I think DASC should decide to extend the PAR * Victor: I asked RevCom to withdraw the PAR extension request so it was not addressed at their last meeting. The DASC needs to decide whether we should extend the PAR given that a first ballot was held and a recirculation ballot is in progress. John Beatty, the chair, is not available today because of surgery. They have a ballot resolution committee in place. * Mac: Their PAR was approved in 2002. * Dennis: This WG is asking for a second extension because the first extension was approved in November 2006. The WG maintained they information behind a password protected web site but this has since been rectified. * Andy: Suggested a final two month PAR extension. * Victor and Mac said this would be too short but, alternatively, one year would be plenty of time. * Ron Waxman moves to extend the P1481 PAR one year. * Andrew Piziali seconds. * Any negatives? No. Abstentions? No. * Motion is approved. 9. Report on CAG activities - Karen Bartleson * Karen reviewed slide set "CAG Report.ppt" * Meeting outline o IEEE DASC/CAG Cooperation, 12/08 o DASC/CAG Goals o DASC-Sponsored Entity Standards o Standards Development Tools and Methods o Industry Feedback o Improve Environment for Corporate Standards 10. 1076 Press Release * Press release reviewed 11. Any Other Business? 12. 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Call to order - ýŕŽ(A -(yw1.1 Quorum call - ýŕŽ(yî -(°w* We have quorum - ýŕŽ(° (čw -*72. Approval of Agenda - ýŕŽ(„ -(Ww-* Motion to approve agenda made by Ron Waxman - ýŕŽ(WÜ -(Žw* Second by Yatin - ýŕŽ(Ž  -(Ćw* Agenda approved - ýŕŽ(Ć  (ţw -*7&3. Approval of Minutes of Last Meeting - ýŕŽ(5- -(mw* So moved by Andrew P(miziali - ýŕŽ)– -(¤w* Second by Dennis B. - ýŕŽ(¤„ -(Üw* Minutes approved - ýŕŽ(Ü9 (w -*8&4. Next meeting jointly with JEITA/IEC - ýŕŽ(K- -(ƒw$* At Pacifico Yokohama with EDS Fair - ýŕŽ(ƒű -(şw* Date & Time: - ýŕŽ(şŐ -(ňw o JST 8:30(ň9-)10:00am on 23 Jan 2009 - ýŕŽ(ňx -( )w3 o Pacific 15:30pm on 22 Jan 2009 (previous day) - ýŕŽ( )r -( aw o Atlantic 18:30pm ( aon 22 Jan 2009 (previous day) - ýŕŽ( ar -( ˜wF* Dennis suggests we either make this an official meeting or schedule *8it - ýŕŽ)2 -( w9 for a convenient time for both N. America and Europe. - ýŕŽ(  -( ?wF* There is a question whether or not JEITA, as an entity, is a member *8of - ýŕŽ)2 -( Žw DASC. 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